关于除夕与商家联合促销禁止退款、争议的解释和处理措施更新

既然你们都已经去老外那边给我“宣传”了，那我就重新发出来。除夕活动照常。

从一个多月前开始，博主和我就动用我手里的资源和各大商家联系除夕 91yun 专属优惠，有的商家非常热情，还拿出一些定制套餐在 91yun 上试发布，结果客户使用 Finalspeed 导致疑似发包被暂停机器，客户 Paypal 争议退款。商家自有内部圈子，这导致包括一家从未在国内测评站点发布过的德国 CN2 机房在内的 10 余家欧美 IDC 退出了本场  促销。如果这次促销在你们眼里全是垃圾，我只能说，就是你们这群垃圾让本场促销变成你们眼里的垃圾处理场的！

Paypal 争议意味着对商家提出欺诈指控，商家不仅拿不到您的服务费用，甚至还将被 Paypal 罚款、降级。事实上作为一名互联网从业人员，或者玩 VPS 多的朋友都知道 Finalspeed 、 kcptun 等工具很容易大流量发包被判断为发包服务器，甚至锐速也可以通过客户端不返回 ack 包变成发包机。因为您对主机的不当使用导致被封禁，您应当承担全部责任。

另外，测评、速度等会因为诸多情况而改变，比如一上促销、大量客户涌入购买和测试，磁盘读写速度、带宽等都会下降；出国路由也时长改变，这些很多都不在服务商的控制范围，服务商可能没有 NoC 的权限，如果您因为这些原因争议，太不厚道了！

您购买的各类主机大多为无管理型（本次促销的全部为无管理型），任何应用不当导致的问题都应由本人负责，除非您购买了全管理型的服务。如果您没有扎实的服务器运维基础，又不愿意承担因自身不当使用产生的后果，我们强烈建议您购买各类全管理型的主机服务，特别是不要购买我们这轮促销。

所以，经过和商家协商、访客指正法律风险后，最后我们仍然规定，所有在 91yun.org 上参与除夕促销的服务器都不允许退款、争议，除非商家跑路。如果您坚持采取这些措施，商家会将您的信息提交到 FraudRecord 和 minFraud ，或联合提交、甚至选择在本站公开个人信息（ Providers may submit your personal information to FraudRecord or minFraud, if they want they can ask us to make your personal information public – that is not illegal. ），这意味着您的银行卡、 Paypal 账号基本上不可能在所有主机商那里买到其他主机了。说我违法？你们去求助的老外已经给你们指点为什么不违法了：

I don’t see how that would be illegal – the user is Chinese, the ISP is not (ding), the receiver is Chinese. If anything this violates the laws of the ISPs incorporation country. It does violate Chinese law by locality (complicated, but involving CN soil, you know your gov…) but if the ISP does not step into/operate in CN it it pretty pointless (matter of fact, giving CN details to the police in your country likely violates the same statute, but as we all know the PRC heads like to write a lot of lrgal crap on paper and the reality is way different).

William

去炫耀滥用大法的撕逼人士们，注意了人家老外还生动地给你们上了个案例，也是 William 说的。

Clouvider is not US based. US laws generally suck either way, as does most of the court system (except in LOUISIANA :)).

Further, the UK laws are not what you say – giving out data of abusive users (abusive is pretty secured on chargeback) and especially non payment (which only ENABLES specialised money collecting agencies in the UK to collect and have jobs) is not illegal, it’s part of business, which also enables services like Fraudrecord to be legal (goes a bit further than needed by hashing, but still).

Public data of fraud (chargeback is fraud in this cases, especially if stated in a ticket – intentional then even, you’ll find that as .1 or .2 in your criminal code after fraud, with additional penalty…) perpetrators will also not really be viewed negatively by anyone if verifiable (no, not like that Panama provider back then), and court processing in the EU is based on prosecutor which is solely based on public interest – not even on the law.

Now, for the fun of it – if someone would sue the Chinese guy in a US court for fraud (or whatever actually) the court documents, including all of this content/proof, would be made public by the local gov (in most states), entirely legal (yes, there is sealing, but this would surely not qualify).

Civil cases different, but a Chinese fraudster (which will likely not even get a visa to attend a UK court session unless he/she can provide monetary security) suing in London/NYC against a local company… nah.

Can sue in China… which you absolutely give less than zero shit as western company/citizen; not like the PRC can enforce the (not free either and very state influenced) sentences…

为了保障国人的信用度和规则意识，为了 91yun.org 能给大家带来跟多福利，为了不产生下一个像 OVH 完全禁止国人的 IDC 、 Leaseweb 这样要求中国客户缴纳保证金的 IDC 产生，这是必须做的。如果您不服，请您不要参与，如果您觉得这样太客气，我就对您说一声：滚！